Posted by: Zsuzsanna | January 15, 2009

On judging, hating, and name calling

There are many people who read this blog in spite of the fact that they hate me and/or my husband. As one of them recently put it:

“I have been drawn to your blog many times. Not because it makes me want to have a stronger relationship with God (far from it) but because it’s like watching a train wreck…you can’t turn away.”

While I doubt that this reader has ever seen a real train wreck, my guess is he’s saying that morbid curiosity is getting the best of him.

Of course, it doesn’t stop at them just looking at my blog, though. People like to voice their disagreements, and they are welcome to do so – just not on my blog! 🙂 There are lots of other websites, books, and people out there who believe different from me, and that’s their prerogative. So most dissenting comments are rejected because they are either offensive, restate something that has already been repeated ad nauseam, they are boring, or just because I don’t feel compelled at all to have a debate. I believe what I believe for a reason, and debating is a waste of time.

Obviously, atheists would not agree with me on just about anything because their authority is not the Bible. But I do think there are some real Christians out there reading my blog who find it offensive, and this post is for them. For what it’s worth (I just have some extra time on my hands today), I will explain my stand on the following three topics that I get most “hate mail” about: judging, hating, and name calling.

1) Judging

The phrase “judge not” occurs 7 times in the entire Bible. Two of those are the often quoted “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” in the books of Matthew and Luke. The other five instances all speak favorably of judging, in fact, God is upset because of the fast that people do NOT carry out judgment.

2Ch 19:6 And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.

Isa 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

Jer 5:28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

The word “judge” occurs a total of 191 times in the Bible, so I’m guessing it’s a word God likes to use.

God is not saying that we should never judge. He is saying that we should not judge a matter unless we are willing to have someone else judge us on that same matter. For instance, I can say that murder is wrong, which is a judgmental statement. Any time they like, people are welcome to tell me that I am wrong if I commit murder. They can mete me by the same measure that I set forth, and be justified in doing so.

Matthew 7:2 – For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

God, in fact, commands us to judge all throughout the Bible, such as in this verse:

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

An entire book of the Bible is called judges. God instituted a government based on judges. I would like to ask all those who write to me and say that judging is always wrong if they think we should get rid of all the judges in this country, as well as the judicial branch altogether. Obviously, that would be utter foolishness.

Furthermore, we are not limited to only judging those areas of life that we are blameless in. For example, I have taught our children that telling a lie is wrong, in spite of the fact that I have lied many times. But if they called me on it, I would have to admit that, yes, I am a liar like everyone else, and yes, I am wrong for that.

The parable that Jesus uses in that favorite passage is about someone having a mote in their eye. Jesus doesn’t say not to pull the mote out (= judge them), but rather to remove the beam from our own eye first and then help the other person (=judge them). To go back to my example, I have never put a post up here saying how wretched and disgusting it is to even tell a single lie, because I, like all other human beings, have lied.

But I have never killed my children by way of abortion, IVF, or any other processes that end the life of a child after conception. I have never murdered anyone else, either. I have never dropped my kids off in daycare to pursue a career. I have never been, nor ever will be, a sodomite. So if I speak out against any of these issues, I am willing to be judged by those exact same standards.

My final remark on this point is that a statement such as “You are a judgmental, bigoted [expletive]”, some variation of which I receive daily, is judgmental. Only a judgmental person can accuse me of being judgmental, after judging me to be so. Hence, they are also a hypocrite, because they think it is ok for them to do something that they are telling me is wrong to do.

Judging is NOT wrong, and I challenge anyone to send me a Bible verse proving me wrong – excluding the ones above that I just disproved.

2) Hating

Many people think it is always wrong to hate anything or anyone for any reason. Others like to parrot the phrase “hate the sin but love the sinner”, which yes, to a point, is true. But there comes a point when God hates certain people after they have rejected him time and again, and then we are commanded not to love them.

God said in Hosea 9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

In Malachi 1:3, God said: And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

2Ch 19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

If hating people is wrong, God must have been wrong in hating all these people listed above, which is not a conclusive list by far.

I hate sodomites because God hates them. Romans 1 makes it clear that they became like that AFTER “God gave them up” and “God gave them over” because they rejected him time and again and would not believe on Him. It is a lie that they were born that way. It is a lie that anyone can become one. Once a person is saved, they are incapable of sinking to the level of a filthy animal because God is not rejecting them. God places the death penalty on sodomy, so apparently He thinks it’s time for them to go to hell.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Of course, it is no surprise that God lists bestiality just a couple of verses further down. Sodomites are sick predators who don’t just stop at relations with someone of the same gender. They are also capable of committing bestiality and pedophilia.

Sodomy, bestiality, pedophilia etc. are NOT natural sins. Any human being has a sin nature that makes them want to lie, steal, or commit other sins. A man might look at a provocative picture of a woman and automatically be inclined to lust after her in his heart, but no man naturally would lust after another man that he sees in a similar pose. That is “against nature”, as the Bible puts it. Only a reprobate is capable of sinking to those depths, and only after they have reached a point of no return with God.

Yes, there was a time when any person on this earth could have been saved, and God did not want for them to go to hell, but eventually there comes a point where God draws the line. There are people in hell right now, and will be there for eternity, whom God allowed to die before they believed on Him and got saved. His Spirit will not always strive with man.

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. [that’s AIDS]

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

[Here God starts the roll call of listing the attributes of sodomites:]

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. – Romans 1:27-32


3) Name calling

When I say that homos are filthy animals, I think of these verses:

2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

When I call them queers, this verse comes to mind (as “queer” means “strange”):

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

When I call them fags, it is to make a point of how much I hate them. Kind of like God was trying to make a point of being crass in these verses:

2Ki 18:27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Isa 36:12 But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

Don’t bother leaving me a dissenting comment, it will neither be read nor get published. Start your own blog and write whatever you want on there. Or better yet, crack open the Bible and read it, rather than getting your world views from the television. You might find that God is not Santa Claus.

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Responses

  1. Just to let you know, your church’s website has been updated with new pics, but not that Rebecca is now part of the family

  2. GOOD FOR YOU! I’m not good at this kind of thing, so it is nice to read it from someone who is.

    THANK YOU

  3. You are like a breath of fresh air. Be true to yourself.

  4. Whew! Hallelujah! I think I’m gonna shout (I’m Pentecostal, by the way–glad I you haven’t said what you think about US). Anyway, I just wrote an entire essay on this VERY subject and my husband would not allow me to post it because was afraid I would offend some people. It is GREAT to see that there is someone else with some sense in this world (even if you are Baptist–j/k). I LOVED it! I may even link it from my page if that is OK with you?

    ~Amy

  5. I am one of those “can’t take my eyes off the train wreck”. I can admit it. I don’t agree with everything you say or do, but on the same hand I also agree you and your family are allowed to do whatever you want. To each his own right?

  6. It’s your blog and you have every right to manage it the way you decide to. After a while those comments get old and it just fuels a debate that already been bebated times before so what the point. Blogs are simply a glimps into someones thoughts and ideas and if you don’t share them or agree with them you just have to keep those thoughts to yourself. If you feel that strongly about the blog then just don’t read it anymore.

    Like you stated much of it is curiousity and the shock value to other people. It may be that many can’t believe that someone actual feels a certain way and states it. Though I might not agree with everthing you say it doesn’t make me think that you are any less a nice person. We all have our views and we are not going to all agree with each other 100% of the time. If we did boy these blogs would be very boring to read!

    All the power to you. You obviously believe in certain issues very strongly and you have every right to express those opinions.

    God Bless.

  7. there are few things that I don’t agree with you entirely about, but I also get so much encouragement from seeing how you makeyour big family work- And how you make it God-centered.
    What boers me is that a commenter like that is spending time “judging” you, while he should be going around practicing what he is preaching. Thank you for sharing your life with the internet.
    It doesn’t matter to me if some of our views differ, the most important ones are the same. GOd and family !

  8. Christians are wimps in today’s society. We keep our mouths shut so we don’t offend someone or so we can be politically correct. The whole point of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the people stood by and did NOTHING and the sins of the OTHERS began to taint them. Good for you for standing up for what is right and good!

  9. I am a reader who doesn’t necessarily share your or your husband’s views on a lot of things. I don’t hate you but I do find you endlessly fascinating. I sometimes wonder if, under different circumstances you and I could be friends. We share very similar beliefs in regards to breastfeeding, co-sleeping and being SAHMs. Your religious views endlessly intrigue me and this is why I am posing the following question. A question that I really hope you answer because I genuinely would like to know. The question is this: why on earth are you eating ham for Christmas Dinner? If you follow all of God’s words and His rules for living why do you choose not follow this one:
    Deuteronomy 14.8 Also the swine is unclean for you ….. you shall not eat their flesh

    Sorry, if I have not annotated that correctly, and yes I have truncated the section because time is pressing on this end. But, the general idea is still there.

    I am very interested in a reply 🙂

  10. Lindsay, thank you, it has now been updated.

    Rose and Grace, thank you! It's nice to know there are other people out there who feel this way.

    Amy, you are welcome to link to any part of my blog or copy and paste any text anytime without asking first. As far as Pentacostals go, I think they are not saved because they believe they can lose their salvation, which essentially means they believe in works. Maybe I wil do a blog post on this sometime soon. But no, I don't hate them. In fact, I have been able to win several of them to the Lord.

    Hope, thanks. Too many times, the people who accuse me of being "intolerant" are themselves intolerant of people like me.

    Christine and Heather, thank you. No two people will ever agree on everything, which is why we all need the foundation of God's word. I'm glad you still enjoy reading my blog.

    Kelly, thank you! I really enjoyed looking at your blogs!

    Alice, believe it or not, but I used to be a left-wing liberal with very different values. Then I realized the Bible was true, became a Christian, and have used it as my basis for everything in life. I like to think I have the best of both worlds (liberal left and radical right). If you ever met me in person, I am sure we would get along famously, but I would be trying to "convert" you the entire time, which you may find impossible to be around. I will answer your pork/ham question in my next (=first) Q&A

  11. I am sorry that you feel attacked, and that those comments have left you feeling hurt. It is a very painful thing to hear bad comments when you know in your heart you are doing good.

    I completely disagree with you on most of your stances, and, in fact, I too am hurt by some of the things I have read in your blog. BUT I hope to walk with you in solidarity as a Christian because we a both working to propagate the Good News.

  12. Hi,

    Not sure really how I found your blog other than through addictive bloghopping. 🙂

    You have very strong views and the great thing about being Christians is that while we may never agree on every thing we need to agree on the main things.

    It isn’t easy being a Pastor/preacher’s wife. People hold you to a different level of humanity and often judge you far more harshly than someone who isn’t.

    You live your life in a clouded glass fish bowl. You can see alot, just not everything.

    Blogging is similar. A journal created by you, to extend your own thoughts…my my my what a playground for fodder and judgement all it’s own.

    I know all too well, I was once told I needed to find a prayer closet and needles to say I found out how easy it was to be thrown under a bus by some and pulled out by other’s.

    Needless to say i found the comment selector after that. Your blog is just that yours. An online place for you to vent, write, keep in touch, and just share life.

  13. AMEN sister! Who are the real haters? Is it not the people leaving the nasty comments? No one is forcing them to read here.

    Oh, the ~trainwreck excuse~. Believe me, I get that one all the time. For crying out loud, if one can’t control where they click on the internet, they need to get their internet service cut off, imeediatly. 😛

    Isn’t comment moderation a beautiful thing? 😉


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